whatever happened to?

The movie that was supposed to come out "The Devil Exists" I though it was going to be out a few years ago and was going to be playing in big theaters.

Bobbys book? It was said he was writing one, and I believe he said he was in a few interviews or on his website.

Gypsys book?

git on home little children

Atkins- Yes, I do feel sorry for her, as I would almost anyone who lost a leg and is dying a (most likely) slow painful death. And no, I don't think she poses a threat to anyone at all. However, punishment is what it is and she killed and therefore deserves (as much as anyone who did what she did) to stay in prison til the bitter end. Let's face it, if she's really born again she should be psyched cause she's on her way to an eternity of glory. 

Grogan- Anyone know if he's still in that band or did he get the boot? I wonder (again, does anyone know?) if his bandmates knew his past. I was recently reading the post about it on mansonfamilytoday and agree that he really got off easy. Why were others tried and convicted of crimes that he skated on? Even that short little interview on brets site kinda shows his sneaky side.  

I just read Desert Shadows again and decided it's also a good book. There seems to be some misinformation, but what book on the case doesnt? But it also has some pretty good stuff too. Just kinda showing some of the Death Valley days in a different light. He also mentions that when Sue Bartell was caught she had a list on her of 40 names and phone numbers. Wouldn't you love to see that list? What became of her? Did Nelson track her down, I forget. 

election day

so tomorrow is election day. Ever since I went to Europe and met and talked with lots of people I really feel like we (as americans) owe the world to vote. Not only are there many people who dont have the right and many have fought and died for that right, but America (for now) has a lot to do with the politics of many countries. I feel embarassed that with that much power almost half of us don't vote. Don't get me wrong, i think the system is flawed and corrupt. But just if nothing else to show the rest of the world we care about them we should get out and vote. I also think it's a real shame that we pretty much have only two people to choose from (i know technically there's more) there really should be more of a choice. 

dinner time! (veggi chix patties and cous cous)

typo's and all,

Andy

sunday boring sunday

well at least i know someone has read my blog. Here's the answer to your question (i'm posting it so maybe others that wonder can use the info)

If you're someone who's really "into" the Manson case the sites you need to follow/read are, in no particular order:

charliemanson.com this is the one often referred to as "Turners site" run by Mark Turner.

mansonfamilytoday.info this is the one referred to as Bretts site (or maybe there's one T.)

truthontatelabianca.com i think this one is run by someone who goes by the name Cat.

tatelabianca.blogspot.com This is the one referred to as the col's site, run by Col Scott.

it'll take months to really, really research these sites and read all there is on them. And when you're done you'll be even more confused then you might be now.

As for what books to read, well, I read anything I can get my hands on.  I'd say the "important" ones are; 

Helter Skelter, The Family, Will You Die For Me, Child Of Satan Child Of God, Manson: Behind The Scenes, My Life With Charles Manson.  Also but not quite as important would be Manson In His Own Words, The Manson File and The Shadow Over Santa Susanna. Now, the hard part (aside from finding some of these books for under $75 or so) is trying to decide what to believe in these books, because there are a hell of a lot of conflicting stories. 

Typo's and all,

Andy

things are too quiet

man oh manson, things are quiet around mansonland. No updates on the Col's blog and about one sentence on charliemanson.com in the last few weeks. Im still waiting and hoping to join the team at tatelabianca. Ive been reading it since the beginning and there's so much i'd like to add. I've just about caught up now so hopefully it'll get back in full swing soon. 

Right now im at Jan 08 and there's a lot of talk about the Labianca murders being a hit set up by the mafia. As much as there's a lot of suspicious goings on that can kind of point in that direction, I think it just doesnt seem possible. The mafia in the late 60's wasn't the mafia today where everyone who gets busted instantly flips and there's tons of loose ends left around. I think it was a much tighter organization. IF by some crazy reason they hired out Manson, who in turn sent Tex and company to do the dirty work, Manson without doubt would have been killed once the murders became front page news. There's just no way that they would have left him out there with full trust that he wouldn't rat. In the long run, he did/does stand strong as there's probably a lot of info that would be embarrassing /incriminating to others that he never gave up. But would the mafia have taken that chance? No way! They've killed their own to keep info from getting out. How would they let some psycho pseudo hippy go about his business?!